For reference on the sheer scope, the Dai Kan-Wa Jiten contains over 50, character entries and , compound words! With such a huge amount, you might assume you'd have to learn 10, or so just to even try to get by. But at schools in Japan, students only learn 1, kanji characters during their elementary school years, and another 1, or so are taught throughout secondary education.
And sure, mastering those 1, kanji is no small task—especially since they have kun-yomi native Japanese readings, and on-yomi readings borrowed from Chinese—but if you can manage to recognize, read and write them all, you'll be able to navigate life in Japan with relatively little muss or fuss.
It might seem like learning 1, kanji characters wouldn't be enough to get by in daily life. But kanji characters are often combined to create entirely new words! It helps to think about it like this; kanji are comprised of small units called radicals bushu , in Japanese. Also, if your reason for learning kanji is to be able to read manga, the required amount of kanji will be different. Generally, this depends on the level of manga that you want to be watching and reading its subtitle.
For a manga that is targeted at kids, you will only need a handful of kanji characters to be able to read comprehensibly. However, if you want to read kanji in manga for adults with tons of difficult lore and wizards, you will need to be able to recognize lots of kanji characters.
So, is learning kanji worthwhile? Without a doubt, it is worthwhile to learn kanji. In general, you will need kanji characters when reading Japanese.
Although it is generally agreed that learning kanji is difficult, lots of people have managed to learn the characters at different stages of their lives. While some people started learning kanji after mastering speaking the language and knowing other Japanese writing systems, others learned kanji characters at the beginning of their learning journey.
So, we advise you to take the time to learn kanji. For anyone ready to learn kanji, there are innumerable ways to achieve their learning goals. One of these ways is to learn the kanji characters one by one like the Japanese school kids usually do. While this is known to be effective, it will require lots of years to achieve fluency.
Therefore, you should rather start learning kanji characters day by day. Which is good, because kanji in 2 years is not the most impressive score. Will it work? We'll see It seems that you are much further ahead than I am in your kanji studies.
I know the english meaning of quite a few kanji into the hundreds and can guess a few others from radicals etc, but in terms of knowing the on yomi and kun yomi for each kanji I would say I have about learned well. If only China and Japan had only met once in their history, then we wouldn't have to deal with there being loads of different readings for the same characters.
I know more than Kanjis. I can also recognize a lot of Chinese characters, but that's not necessary the same because of different meanings. I'm pretty much in the same boat. I know about kanji Japanese usage and pronunciations both onyomi and kunyomi and can understand a lot of written Japanese but I keep getting them confused with my native tongue Chinese.
I think the situation is parallel with French and English. The English language has tons of French words but with different pronunciations and even different meanings. For example 'gain' and 'gagner' are quite different in meaning and 'profit' and 'profiter' as well.
Kanji was definitely the toughest part of the exam, because its just memorization. You also need to know the different interpretations of the same symbol. I'm not sure if they still follow the same exam pattern.
I've forgotten most of them too after such a long time I hope to learn them back soon enough. I can read and write a little under kanji, and just read a few hundred more not exactly sure how many.
There gets to be this point in the journey of learning Japanese when its stops being so hard to learn new kanji and it's improving your grammar that becomes the most difficult thing. At some point you just get the hang of learning new characters, but so far I'm yet to get the hang of learning new grammar points I think that the number sways above my head making it seem worse than it really is. I probably can read k of them in chinese , but in Japanese, I've only learned about Many of the onyomi readings can be "derived" from the chinese readings though, and oftentimes, so can the meanings.
Also, I've always heard that the Joyo kanji isn't enough, and that you really need about more to be able to understand newspapers, books, etc fluidly. I'm not going to lie and say I know alot.
Actually, most of you here are likely to be my seniors. I used to know around 30 to 40 kanji but it's been a while so I am likely to have forgotten half of those. On a bright side, I do know all my kana. Don't feel too bad about it.
I posted in this thread a year ago and I did know about kanji then, but now it's more likely that I can read around or so and write under a thousand. They seem to slip really quickly. Actually, a lot of younger Japanese people have trouble writing kanji - in this modern age of computers, there's little reason for people to handwrite anything.
Assuming that you know around 3k kanji, and that you need in average 5s to associate a word to a kanji and that you need 2s to tell that you don't know a kanji, you would need around 6 hours to complete this test. That's quite long but at least it is accurate. This site helps you estimate how many kanji you know. It's probably not advanced enough for you though.
Ideally to get a perfectly accurate answer, you would review a comprehensive list of kanji, but of course that would be quite time-consuming. I suggest using statistics to speed up the process: Test yourself on a representative sample of the full set of kanji you want to estimate from, and extrapolate from that to get an estimate. For example, what I have done in the past to get a similar estimate of the number of English, German or Japanese words I know is to start with a dictionary and randomly select a set of pages more pages take longer, fewer pages make your estimate less accurate.
Quiz yourself on every entry on those pages to get an average number of correct responses per page. Multiply that by the number of pages in the dictionary, and your result is a reasonable estimation of how many correct responses you should expect you'd get if you tested yourself on the whole dictionary.
You will need to be careful that your selection is actually reasonably representative. Depending on how the dictionary is organized this could be hard - for example if it's organized by grade level then entire pages are going to have a similar difficulty level. Unfortunately it seems to top out at the JLPT N1 list in terms of difficulty, so while it would be useful for less advanced users, it's not going to be useful for a reader at the skill level indicated in the question.
Keep track of the vocabulary words you learn and then do a database search for the different Kanji used in the words you know. You can do that for example if you learn Kanji alongside with vocabulary and store those words in Anki or such. Stack Overflow for Teams — Collaborate and share knowledge with a private group. Create a free Team What is Teams? Learn more. How can I accurately estimate how many kanji I know?
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